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Not only that; let us look at the mess called CWG, and the unholy glee with which our lawmakers have pushed forth their salary hike bill.
Thanks to us (the mischief makers, the mischief mongers, and the watchers - which includes most of us), we have a governance without accountability, and we breed mediocrity and are proud of the fact; we, the intelligentsia, have also allowed a bunch of ruffians (most of the political class) to take the country for a ride.
We ourselves are also to be blamed, since most of us do not participate in the political process (many do not even exercise their right to cast vote); hence, we have got a country, and a government that we deserve.
BhattaDear Avinash,
you are 100 % right. What happened at carbide must be a lesson but quietly ignored at our own peril by our parliamentarians & govt. Recently read Algebra of Infinite Justice by Arundhati Roy ( cynic ) but she has given many points to ponder. Enron Dhabol is also covered in an essay on power Politics. Privatization is seen panacea which is far from truth. Its loot of common people by politicians, bureaucrat & businessmen with accountability of none. Possibly we will also restrict our chat to drawing discussion or internet.
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Manoj Kumar Sharma
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From: avinash sahay
Subject: Fw: [IT-BHU-BatchOf1982] Fw: [IITDBatch1984] A VERY DAMNING ARTICLE ON INDIA - IT HURTS, BUT ... IS TRUE
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Date: Saturday, 21 August, 2010, 5:32
Dear Friends,
It makes us hopping mad when we are roundly criticized,especially by foreigners.But let us take a hard look at our national character.
We are so riven by caste,religion,language ,region and, above all, by wealth that we have never looked upon our fellow men as our equals in the first place.Our collective psyche seems to be this.He is not one of us. He's meant to be treated differently.
Let us look at our history. We have always cut deals, not to elevate our fellow men, but to enslave them, as long as we could have our two pieces of silver.Even today,look at the Nuclear Liability Bill.Our political class is fixing the suppliers liability at 1500 crores in case of a disaster. Suppose if 10 lakh people are affected,our lives are worth Rs15,000.Contrast this with the US.Not a single person has died, but BP has been forced to set aside $20 billion.For those weak at numbers, this is Rs 90,000 crores.
That is why shoddy roads and bridges are built in this country.Why, the bridge leading from Nizamuddin station to Delhi is as sturdy as rock from the days of Emperor Akbar, but the bridges built now will probably not survive a generation.
We may snigger at Sean Paul Kelley and bury our heads in sand only to our detriment.
Best regards,
Avinash
http://poshaning.blogspot.com/
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I agree with you, that it is only partly correct. But only partly. This guy is a joker, probably a wealthy European or US guy who has more often than not closed his eyes at the appropriate places and thus gathered an impression that is more erronoeous than true. I dont think that we should really pay heed to what he says or writes. More so, because there are so many other people who are probably more observant on the whole than selectively that he is and have appreciated India for what it has been, for what India is and for what India looks forward to. I guess he must be speaking the same language for his own country as well.
This is bull shit and ages old.
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Subject: [IT-BHU-BatchOf1982] Fw: [IITDBatch1984] A VERY DAMNING ARTICLE ON INDIA - IT HURTS, BUT ... IS TRUE
WHEN WILL WE WAKE UP. IS THIS WHAT WE ARE LEAVING FOR OUR NEXT GEN? WE ALL ARE IN OUR COMFORT ZONE AND DONT THINK BEYOND OURSELF. WE NEED TO GIVE BACK TO AND FIGHT CORRUPTION AND THE POLITICAL CLASS - FOOD FOR THOUGHT - READ ON (SENT BY A TRAVELLER).
Reflections on India By Sean Paul Kelley
Sean Paul Kelley is a travel writer, former radio host, and before that an asset manager for a Wall Street investment bank that is still (barely) alive. He recently left a fantastic job in Singapore working for Solar Winds, a software company based out of Austin to travel around the world for a year (or two). He founded The Agonist, in 2002, which is still considered the top international affairs, culture and news destination for progressives. He is also the Global Correspondent for The Young Turks, on satellite radio and Air America .
If you are Indian, or of Indian descent, I must preface this post with a clear warning: you are not going to like what I have to say. My criticisms may be very hard to stomach. But consider them as the hard words and loving advice of a good friend. Someone who’s being honest with you and wants nothing from you.
These criticisms apply to all of India except Kerala and the places I didn’t visit, except that I have a feeling it applies to all of India , except as I mentioned before, Kerala.
Lastly, before anyone accuses me of Western Cultural Imperialism, let me say this: if this is what India and Indians want, then hey, who am I to tell them differently. Take what you like and leave the rest. In the end it doesn’t really matter, as I get the sense that Indians, at least many upper class Indians, don’t seem to care and the lower classes just don’t know any better, what with Indian culture being so intense and pervasive on the sub-continent. But here goes, nonetheless.
India is a mess. It’s that simple, but it’s also quite complicated. I’ll start with what I think are India ’s four major problems–the four most preventing India from becoming a developing nation–and then move to some of the ancillary ones.
First, pollution. In my opinion the filth, squalor and all around pollution indicates a marked lack of respect for India by Indians. I don’t know how cultural the filth is, but it’s really beyond anything I have ever encountered. At times the smells, trash, refuse and excrement are like a garbage dump.
Right next door to the Taj Mahal was a pile of trash that smelled so bad, was so foul as to almost ruin the entire Taj experience. Delhi , Bangalore and Chennai to a lesser degree were so very polluted as to make me physically ill. Sinus infections, ear infection, bowels churning was an all to common experience in India . Dung, be it goat, cow or human fecal matter was common on the streets. In major tourist areas filth was everywhere, littering the sidewalks, the roadways, you name it. Toilets in the middle of the road, men urinating and defecating anywhere, in broad daylight.
Whole villages are plastic bag wastelands. Roadsides are choked by it. Air quality that can hardly be called quality. Far too much coal and far to few unleaded vehicles on the road. The measure should be how dangerous the air is for one’s health, not how good it is. People casually throw trash in the streets, on the roads.
The only two cities that could be considered sanitary in my journey were Trivandrum –the capital of Kerala–and Calicut . I don’t know why this is. But I can assure you that at some point this pollution will cut into India ’s productivity, if it already hasn’t. The pollution will hobble India ’s growth path, if that indeed is what the country wants. (Which I personally doubt, as India is far too conservative a country, in the small ‘c’ sense.)
The second is sue , infrastructure, can be divided into four subcategories: roads, rails and ports and the electrical grid. The electrical grid is a joke. Load shedding is all too common, everywhere in India . Wide swaths of the country spend much of the day without the electricity they actually pay for. With out regular electricity, productivity, again, falls.
The ports are a joke. Antiquated, out of date, hardly even appropriate for the mechanized world of container ports, more in line with the days of longshoremen and the like. Roads are an equal disaster. I only saw one elevated highway that would be considered decent in Thailand , much less Western Europe or America . And I covered fully two thirds of the country during my visit.
There are so few dual carriage way roads as to be laughable. There are no traffic laws to speak of, and if there are, they are rarely obeyed, much less enforced. A drive that should take an hour takes three. A drive that should take three takes nine. The buses are at least thirty years old, if not older.
Everyone in India , or who travels in India raves about the railway system. Rubbish. It’s awful. Now, when I was there in 2003 and then late 2004 it was decent. But in the last five years the traffic on the rails has grown so quickly that once again, it is threatening productivity. Waiting in line just to ask a question now takes thirty minutes. Routes are routinely sold out three and four days in advance now, leaving travelers stranded with little option except to take the decrepit and dangerous buses.
At least fifty million people use the trains a day in India . 50 million people! Not surprising that waitlists of 500 or more people are common now.
The rails are affordable and comprehensive but they are overcrowded and what with budget airlines popping up in India like Sadhus in an ashram the middle and lowers classes are left to deal with the overutilized rails and quality suffers. No one seems to give a shit.
Seriously, I just never have the impression that the Indian government really cares. Too interested in buying weapons from Russia , Israel and the US I guess.
The last major problem in India is an old problem and can be divided into two parts that’ve been two sides of the same coin since government was invented: bureaucracy and corruption.
It take triplicates to register into a hotel. To get a SIM card for one’s phone is like wading into a jungle of red-tape and photocopies one is not likely to emerge from in a good mood, much less satisfied with customer service.
Getting train tickets is a terrible ordeal, first you have to find the train number, which takes 30 minutes, then you have to fill in the form, which is far from easy, then you have to wait in line to try and make a reservation, which takes 30 minutes at least and if you made a single mistake on the form back you go to the end of the queue, or what passes for a queue in India.
The government is notoriously uninterested in the problems of the commoners, too busy fleecing the rich, or trying to get rich themselves in some way shape or form. Take the trash for example, civil rubbish collection authorities are too busy taking kickbacks from the wealthy to keep their areas clean that they don’t have the time, manpower, money or interest in doing their job.
Rural hospitals are perennially understaffed as doctors pocket the fees the government pays them, never show up at the rural hospitals and practice in the cities instead.
I could go on for quite some time about my perception of India and its problems, but in all seriousness, I don’t think anyone in India really cares. And that, to me, is the biggest problem. India is too conservative a society to want to change in any way.
Mumbai, India ’s financial capital is about as filthy, polluted and poor as the worst city imaginable in Vietnam , or Indonesia –and being more polluted than Medan , in Sumatra is no easy task. The biggest rats I have ever seen were in Medan !
One would expect a certain amount of, yes, I am going to use this word, backwardness, in a country that hasn’t produced so many Nobel Laureates, nuclear physicists, imminent economists and entrepreneurs. But India has all these things and what have they brought back to India with them? Nothing.
The rich still have their servants, the lower castes are still there to do the dirty work and so the country remains in stasis. It’s a shame. Indians and India have many wonderful things to offer the world, but I’m far from sanguine that India will amount to much in my lifetime.
Now, have at it, call me a cultural imperialist, a spoiled child of the West and all that. But remember, I’ve been there. I’ve done it. And I’ve seen 50 other countries on this planet and none, not even Ethiopia , have as long and gargantuan a laundry list of problems as India does.
And the bottom line is, I don’t think India really cares. Too complacent and too conservative.
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